I knew I liked Ryan Irelan from watching his videos and some brief contact around the internet, but I didn’t expect to enjoy talking to him as much as I did on Systematic episode 92.

Ryan — in addition to being Vice President of Tech at Happy Cog and offering his own array of tech education videos at Mijingo — has a fascination with the story, details and craftsmanship of “mundane” objects, which made for an interesting start to the episode.

The episode went a little long, but mostly because we started talking music. Bruce Springsteen, specifically, but we eventually broadened the discussion.

It was a lot of fun. Check out the episode at 5by5. I hope you enjoy!